The communication from the GS is reproduced below for information of members:
'Dear friends,
It is learnt that the file related to Upgradation of Grade Pay of IP/ASP/PS Group B has been returned by Ministry of Finance with remarks that the post of IP is not comparable with the posts of Assistants in CSS and analogous posts in CBDT/CBEC.
CHQ is requesting the Dept. to resubmit the file to MOF with more information/proper justification.
xxxxxxx
S.Samuel
11.02.2010
GS '
23 comments:
this is a known fact. When there is a hope then only it is shattered. we are not at all hopeful in this matter. SO dont feel sad for this.
Dear orissa friends
If merger is the only solution then we should have to opt for merger to benifit more number of employees. The department suggestes either to merge IP with ASP or ASP with SP for GP upgradation in the meeting had with our association on 4.1.2010. If IP merge with ASP, only IPs will get benifited. If ASP and SP cadres are merged both IP and ASPs will get benifitted. So kindly ask for merger of ASP with SP instead merger of IP with ASP
hoping for favourable movements by orissa circle association,
An ASP from Kerala circle
Dear friends....
I hope our GS is misguiding us... Reply by GS about merger of IP and ASP cadre given to Kerala Circles is down below:
Dear Nirmal,
IP will definitely get 4600.But it is linked with merger of IP & ASP. DG is not in favour of merger. That is why she has recommended higher garde pay for all the three grades ie. IP/ASP/PS Gr B. If MOF agrees well and good. Otherwise we have to accept the merger. But we should support the gesture shown by the Dept. Because ASP/SP are our promotional posts.General line officials have LSG, HSG-II, HSG-I and PS Group B. IPoS officers have JTS, STS, Director, Selection Grade Directors, PMG, Chief PMG, Member and DG. They get pay fixation in all stages. We have only two grades ASP & SP.. If it is merged what is left behind? So do not agree for anything in a hurry. Let us try and get the best.
S.Samuel
GS
Dear Orissa friends
This news is wrong one as the portfolio holders of our associations are liar as well as selfish the file related to Up gradation of Grade Pay of IP/ASP/PS Group B has been returned by Ministry of Finance with remarks that the post of asp and Gp B not eligible for gp 4800 and 5400 . there is nothing written regarding IP . so don’t believe the GS .
One ASP from Directorate
PS Group B is All India Cadre. If ASP is nerged with PS group B, whether all members are willing to go to other Circles?
S Samuel
GS
Dear GS
As there are sufficient ASP posts (now termed as SP)very few are required to be gone outside. I hope that after merger the department may at a later date realise the need of separate cadre for devisional heads. So for the time being we ask for merger of ASP with SP. It will give the ASP in addition to financial benifits like 4800 immedately and after four years GP 5400 and also coonferred with financial powers of SP now we demand for ASPs, automatically. So please pursue with merger of ASP with SP
ASP from Kerala
The Generqal secretary is telling lies before our members. He is already in Group B and he is always protect the interst of PSS Groub B at our cost.Samual resign your post immediately. Our New GEneral Secretary will take care of us.
once you joined in the Group B post you should have resigned the GS post. why You are continiunig. For foreign tour.
Dear Friends,
I think it is not fair to blame Mr. Samuel at this stage. After all, because of his initiative DOP had recommended upgradation of GP of all three cadres to MOF. If Ministry of Finance returns the proposal, how Mr. Samuel is to blame? As you can see the postings in the blog of our CHQ, some of our members are very much in favour of retaining the status of ASP as a separate Grade without getting it merged either with IPs or with SPs.There is, therefore, no unanimity on this point by our members. Let us not single out Mr. Samuel merely because he is the GS. Everyone of us has a responsibility to support, encourage and guide the GS. Before blaming Sri Samuel let us have a self-examination as to how far we were supportive of his action, particularly when he had given a call to undertake certain activities. For example, there was call from his side to write to DG(Post) in the given proforma for upgradation of GP. How many of us have responded? Will we be ready for strike if he gives a call. We are ASP to-day and will become SP tomorrow. Both the cadres are thus interlinked and it is not correct to say that SP cadre is interested for its own gain alone. Now that the file is received back with objections, we start asking for Mr. Samuel’s exit. In normal course, his tenure is coming to an end in the first week of April’10. What will we achieve if Mr. Samuel quits now? Will not the situation be chaotic? He is our GS for last 4 years. Let him do his work for balance period of his tenure which is less than two months now.
B B Mohanty
CS, AIAIASP, Orissa
The comments of 'one ASP from Directorate' is the silver lining. After Pay commission, the MOF's comment on our status is really unbelievable. We are wasting time by raking the non issues like merger/cadre within the cadre. I URGE OUR CS TO ENSURE CHQ's ACTION FOR RS. 4600/- GP TO IPs ONLY.Every other thing is irrelevant now.
Dear Sri Mohanty,
Should not the GS have a practical view and be able to predict what can be achieved and what cannot? He knows for certain that ASP and SP will not get the GP of 4800 and 5400, as such a move will trigger demands from officers of similar cadre in other departments. Is it not wise to get first what can be got easily (4600 for IP) and then think about further demands and actions?
How long do you expect the IPs to wait, to get GP of 4600, while Inspectors in other depts. have got it already?
If this issue gets delayed without any practical approach, it will prolong till the next pay commission, if any, and there too, our demands may be dumped as usual. Should IPs be the losers due to the wrong priorities and selfishness of the office bearers of the Association?
It seems that IPs are second class members of the Association and only after protecting the interests of ASPs, our welfare will be looked into.
It will be better if IPs have a separate Association, since the views of ASPs and IPs differ and also ASPs being gazetted and IPs being non gazetted, having a single association for them is both illogical and meaningless.
Dear AIAiSP, Orissa circle,
the comment of your CS is only to support the incorrect action taken by our GS. Instead of taking the case to hike the GP of all the three cadre i.e., SP, ASP and IP, had he taken the case only for IP, then it will be a sucessful one and all the IPs would have got the GP of 4600/- The present chaos will not arise had we clubbed the ASP/IP grade pay with IP, do u agree? Also, see the attitude of Mr. Samuvel in ansering the comments above, Yes, many ASP will think for going outside his own circle, but if there will be so much ASP posts in his own circle, then, dept will also show some mercy and post that ASP in his own circle. This is a meagre problem while comparing the benefits arised out of merger. Sir, take positive action for sufferers. after that think about those persons enjoying cushons already.
Dear Friend,
It is not the question of supporting the GS' action. What I would like to mention is that there is no point in blaming the GS at this stage. What has already happened is history. We should think of what to do now instead of putting the blame on someone.I would endorse the view of Sri D K Samal that we should pursue the case of IP Grade Pay vigorously. Personally, I am of the view that IP & ASPs should merge so that we will get benfit of higher GP under MACP. But personal view is overridden by collective and majority opinion and that is simply what has happened.
B B Mohanty, CS, AIAIASP, Orissa
Lets talk to DG and go for merger of IP and ASP cadre such that all IPs get GP of 4600 immediately. Its already very late. Lets try to close this merger before the end of February.Lets not waste any further time. Let IP and ASP be mergerd and the merged cadre be named ASP (gazetted) like JAO and AAO merger in accounts dept.
Dear CS orissa association,
Merger of ASP with SP post is more benificiaal because of the following reasons
Both IP and ASP will be benifitted immediately
promotion prospect of IP to SP will be increased as the number of posts are increasing when adding the present posts of ASP with SP. At present promotion to SP cadre takes 23 to 26 years.
It will give the ASP in addition to financial benifits like 4800 immedately and after four years GP 5400 and also coonferred with financial powers of SP now we demand for ASPs, automatically.
As there are sufficient ASP posts (now termed as SP)very few are required to be gone outside. I hope that after merger the department may at a later date realise the need of separate cadre for devisional heads. So for the time being we ask for merger of ASP with SP. So please pursue with merger of ASP with SP
So your association may please take necessary step for merger of ASP with SP
ASP from Kerala
dear all
dont think much... and be practical.
go for merger IPs and ASPs...
only solution......
put ur analytical skills for dept. not for views of GS.....who is a liar.
Pls lets not delay the upgradation of grade pay of IPs any furher. Association's office bearers are requested to pursue and achieve merger of IP and ASP with gazetted status for the merged cadre as fast as possible. Dept has already agreed to this merger. So there should be no problem.
Dear sir,
Merger of ASP with SP cadre is practically not feasible due to the following reason :-
(i) There will be a stiff opposition from Group B association for merger
(ii) If ASP cadre is merged with SP, then who will look after the Sub DIvisions?
(iii) There will be discremination between the SUb DIvision headed by IP and ASP if merger is happend (in financial power/admin power/recruitment power etc)
(iv) If we take the proposal of ASP-SP merger, I doubt that it will also be failed due to lot of ambiguities in various subjects as explained above
(v) So,please don't waste time by talking about the merger of ASP-SP instead of taking the case for merger of IP-ASP so that young IP will get more benefits.
Dear orissa friends,
It is the department and not our association, suggested the merger of either IP with ASP or ASP with SP. So we do not bother about the functional difficulties arised if ASP merged with SP. That will be sorted out by the department itself.
If ASP is merged with IP the unique cadre of ASP will be vanished for ever. If ASP merged with SP there is ample chance of creating a separate cadre for divisional heads at a later date.
If IP and ASP are merged the IP will get GP 4800 after 10 years and GP 5400 again after 10 years. In the meanwhile he get promoted to Grup-B in 24 to 26 years in the grade pay of 4800 which is of no use at that time.
If ASP & SP are merged the IP will get promoted to SP with GP 4800 within 7-8 years as the number of promotion posts more. after 4 years he will get GP 5400. That is altogether 11- 12 years only needed to get GP 5400 in this case. in the former case the IP will get the GP 5400 only after 20 years. So please think which is more benificial.
Please pursue with merger of ASP with SP
It should be accepted by our association office bearers that practical approach was not taken at the initial stage, inspite of the repeated request by the members. In place of taking up the GP issue of IP alone, our GS had mixed the issue with the GP of ASP and SP. The present problem is because of that wrong move. Any way, we should stop the blame game and think of future move. We as individuals are planning to approach CAT Ernakulam Bench in the first week of March'10 as one month period is over and no response received fromthe Department so far against our individual representation. The association should support to approach CAT.
Lets schedule a meeting with DG as early as possible and resolve this issue. Whether it is Ip merger with ASP or ASP merger with SP. Lets not delay it any further as it is the IPs who are suffering the most.The association is requested to please act fast considering the plight and injustice to the IPs.
At this time wee need to wait for action taken by the department after returning the file relating to GP by the Ministry of Finance. Association need to immidiatly make its submission to the department and should also submit the comparison of of duties of Income tax inspector and Inspector Posts.
Most of our member are criticising the move of GS why this criticism. It was GS with whose efforts and memo submitted to 6th Pay commission IPs were equated with inspector of CBDT , Income Tax and Central excise. We have only this valid point which can help in getting the GP of 4600 to IPs.
I had been the regular reader of blog of Income tax inspector and Central excise inspectors. Their comrades have given the full support to their GS for taking any action during their period of struggle. So dear friends Do not criticise. But try to cooperate with GS by giving ur valuable . suggestions .
Now our course of action should :
(a) Pursue the department to resubmit the file to Min of Fin with proper justification
(b) Fix time line for department . and after time fix date of union action .
(c) Circle association should approach ministers such as TN circle should approach Minster of Communication and IT. WB to Finance Minister, PUNJAB to Minister of Parliamentary affairs and so.
we should not hesitate to approach MPs of opposition to raise the Parliament question in this regards
sunil
Beleiving the dept to resubmit the case for hike in GP of IP/ASP/SP is entirely rubbish. We should sought the revision of GP of IP to Rs.4600 only now with a fresh proposal. What our comrade Mr. SUnil said is that due to the efforts of GS we were equated with IT/CBDT which is entirely unbelivable. Seeking the help of MPs/Ministers are time consuming. Rather we should file a case in CAT. Also proposal for merger should be taken (IP/ASP) immediately with our dept so that GP of 4600 will be given authomatically. Senior ASPs will get befit from MACPS.
Why do we want to delay the process of upgradation of GP of IPs further? The association should approach the dept immediately to either merge Ip with ASP cadre or ASP with SP and resolve the grade pay issue within the monthe of February. Nearly 3 months have gone by. The association is requested to please act fast and take up the matter with the dept as early as possible.
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