Former CS speaks
Dear Friends,
The title of the article must be drawing
attention of curious readers to know whose Association the article speaks about
and who are the fools with such an Association.
I hope there is no room for any guessing as the answer is obvious.
Before I make it clear, I just wish to remind
all those present in the 37th All Indian Conference of AIAIASP held
at Bangalore on 27-29 January what I have said in my speech during the deliberation
on the issue of upgradation of GP of IPs in the conference. If it is not
remembered I want to mention again that I had told something like this.
“We are liars and cowards. I give guarantee
that if the Association does not opt for merger of IP and ASP cadres which is
the consistent view of Odisha Circle, the IPs will never get GP of Rs.4600/-.
Odisha Circle wants upgradation of GP of IPs to Rs.4,600/- at any cost, and
anything which helps upgradation of GP of IPs to Rs.4,600/- is acceptable.”
Chanakya says, “Tell the truth but never the bitter one”.
I admit that I had told as such without being diplomatic at all. I know that many of our friends in other
Circles did not take it kindly what I said. But I maintain that I had told the
truth however bitter it was.
My friends those who were members in core
Committee to draft the resolution must be knowing how much strain we had taken
to come to a consensus draft resolution to the effect that we want GP of Rs.4,600/-
for IPs w.e.f 01.01.2006 with merger of IP and ASP cadres into one cadre with
nomenclature of ASP with retention of Gazetted status to existing ASPs as their
personal one till they get promoted to PS Gr. B cadre or retire, as the case
may be. This was intended to facilitate upgradation
of GP of IPs to Rs.4,600/- w.e.f 1.01.2006 so that everybody in the cadre of IP
/ ASP could get the financial benefit. The main focus behind such a resolution
was to cooperate the Govt. to come to a favourable decision of allowing IPs the
GP of Rs.4,600/- at par with the Inspectors of CBDT/CBEC in line with the
advisory orders passed by Hon’ble CAT, Ernakulam Bench in respect of the OA
filed by Sri Permanand and another.
But those who were present in the Conference knew how vehemently the
draft resolution was opposed by the majority of members present during the
deliberation which virtually forced Mr. Mohanrangam, the Chairman of the
Resolution Drafting Committee to come up with another draft resolution prepared
by himself (guessing the mood of the house) to the effect that the Association
opposes merger of IP and ASP cadres and wants that IPs should be allowed
upgraded GP of Rs.4,600/- as per orders of Hon’ble CAT, Ernakulam Bench. The
resolution was finally passed by the House by majority opinion, opposing merger
of two cadres.
During discussion in the Conference it was clearly mentioned by some
speakers including the one from Gujurat that the orders passed by the Hon’ble
CAT is of advisory nature and is not binding on the Govt for implementation as
the orders were made to consider upgradation of GP, without specific
direction to the Govt. allow the upgraded GP straightway. It was also mentioned by Sri Pitabasa Jena, CS, Odisha
Circle Branch that the part of observation made in the orders of Hon’ble CAT
regarding present GP of Rs.5,400/- of the counterparts of Postal Superintendents
in CBDT/CBEC is not factually correct for which the Govt. may not have a
favourable view to implement the orders of Hon’ble CAT unless we opt for merger
of IP and ASP cadres. But the majority of the delegates present during
the discussion were so carried away by sentimental feeling of getting the
benefit of upgraded GP for IPs on the strength of the orders of the Hon’ble CAT
alone that they could not even entertain the fundamental idea that the orders
of Hon’ble CAT which is merely advisory in the present case could be rejected
if the Association does not cooperate with the Department of Posts to formulate
a viable proposal for upgradation of GP of IPs for submission to Ministry of
Finance. The delegates opposing the merger of IP
and ASP cadres took the matter granted on the basis of the unrealistic hope
that the Govt. is under obligation by virtue of orders of Hon’ble CAT,
Ernakulam Bench to allow upgraded GP of Rs.4,600/- to IPs which will ultimately
allow the ASPs to get still higher GP with retention of Gazetted status.
The pleadings that the Govt. may not attach
importance to the proposal of allowing GP of Rs.5,400/- to PS Gr. B officers of
a Department (whose expenditure over its income is mounting) so as to disturb
the horizontal and vertical balance in relation to staff of equivalent status
in other Departments & Ministries fell in deaf years as majority of the
delegates did not buy such argument under the false impression that the Govt.
is bound to implement the orders of Hon’ble CAT by allowing GP of Rs.4,600/- to
IPs, Rs.4,800/- to ASPs and Rs.5,400/- to PS Gr.B Officers.
Mr. Permanand who at a particular point of time
appeared outcaste in the cadre of IP s and ASPs when he arranged filing of the
OA in his personal capacity of collecting donation from like-minded IPs, was later
hailed with a heroic welcome when the judgement in the CAT case filed by him
was out. I remember when a posting appeared in the blog of Odisha Circle
suggesting moral help to Sri Permanand in fighting the case in Hon’ble CAT,
Ernakulam Bench, such a view of Odisha Circle was not appreciated by some
Circle Branch Associations. It is a different matter that Odisha Circle
continued to extend moral support to Mr. Permanand in the matter of the OA
filed by him. Odisha Circle Branch whole-heartedly congratulated Mr. Permanand
when the orders of the Hon’ble CAT, Ernakulam Bench came out in support of the
justification for upgradation of GP of IPs to Rs.4600/- at par with Inspectors
of CBDT/CBEC. The orders of the Hon’ble CAT brought a ray of hope in the minds
of the Inspectorial staff that the Govt. would do something to comply with the
favourable observations of the Hon’ble CAT. Hopes and anxiousness ran high in
the minds of the inspectorial staff. It was hoped
that the Association will come out with a clear proposal on the issue of merger
of IP and ASP cadre to facilitate the long awaited upgradation of GP of IPs. But
the resolution passed by the Association in the Bangalore Conference (which was
in a complete U turn of the resolution adopted in New Delhi conference) was
based on the selfishness of the ASP level officials by whom the Association is
dominated. It appeared in the Bangalore
conference as if the IPs who consist of 50% of the cadre strength in the
Association had no stake in the resolution as the majority of the delegates
were worried about retaining the Gazetted status for ASPs. It clearly appeared
that upgradation of GP of IPs is secondary to the question of retention of
Gazetted status. It was pointed out by the delegates from Odisha that the
so-called Gazetted status practically means nothing as no separate office
chamber, orderly, telephone, stenographer service, vehicle, financial power
etc. are provided to the ASPs. But taking no notice of such deficiencies, many
members took pride in having the attesting power of ASPs with Gazetted status. Some of the veterans who attended the Conference on
invitation brainwashed the gullible minds in such a way that the upgradation of
GP of IPs appeared nothing in comparison to the existing Gazetted status of the
ASPs. One of these veterans was found openly soliciting support for the GS
candidate who exhibited to carry the same old mindset of retaining the Gazetted
status (while opposing the possible candidature from Odisha), and also
succeeded in this effort. They were not ready to buy the argument that
GP of Rs.5,400/- was unreachable for promotee IPs without upgradation of GP of
IPs to Rs.4,600/- and getting GP of Rs.5,400/- through MACP or otherwise is
possible only through merger of IP and ASP cadres as the genesis of the proposal
for upgradation of GP of IPs lies in the demand for bringing parity of IPs with
Inspectors of CBDT/CBEC. The pleading that we
should first get parity with our counterparts in other Departments and then
demand same level of promotional prospects at par with them fell flat on the
ears who did not want to hear anything other than Gazetted status of ASPs.
Some of the delegates gave
opinion for bringing pressure on the Department to upgrade the GP of IPs to
Rs.4,600/- as per observations of the Hon’ble CAT. When they were asked to
define ‘pressure’, they were
clueless. In this connection I would
like to mention that I had initiated talks with Com. S Sreedharan, the then GS
of P-III Union under NFPE to join strike to press for demands of IP cadre. Our
the then GS Shri Roop Chand was informed of the move with request to mobilise
support of all Circle Branch Associations. The plan did not succeed as the
proposal did not found favour with most of the Circle Branches of the
Association. The
Association which has no plan and policy of even thinking about the strike wants
to ‘pressurise’ the Department to get its demands fulfilled! This is the level of courage we have with us
to get our demands fulfilled. Yet we indulge in day-dreaming for getting
everything. We want GP of Rs.4,800/- with Gazetted status for ASPs and GP of
Rs.5,400/- for PS Gr.B Officers which is something unique compared to the
situation in other Departments and Ministries. Yet we are unable to get GP of
Rs.4,600/- for IPs despite having a CAT order favouring our view. We want to
have our cake and eat it too.
As learnt reliably, the Govt has disposed of the orders of the Honble CAT, Earnakulam Bench by rejecting the demand for upgradation of GP of IPs to Rs.4,600/- on the reported ground that IP and ASP being separate Grades cannot remain with same GP. The last hope of getting the GP of IPs upgraded to Rs.4,600/- is thus dashed in air and the fate of IPs is given a decent burial once for all, thanks to the decision taken at Bangalore Conference motivated by veterans who still think that the Association is their paternal property and who rule the Association by proxy through their sycophantic followers. The inevitable has happened. There is no need for shedding crocodile tears. The confusion and chaos has its own results.
When my words in the Bangalore conference were not appreciated by majority of delegates, I had a rethinking. But in retrospect, I think what I had told was very much correct. We are not only liars and cowards but selfish and fools also. In so saying, I have no regrets.
God alone can save this Association
from disintegration and degeneration.
Unfaithfully yours,
B B Mohanty
Former CS and now CWC Member, AIAIASP, Odisha
Circle Branch
25 comments:
Dear Mohanty Sir
You are really told good comment about us but it was too late.Still time is there to rectify our mistakes.You should lead from the front.otherwise it is not possible.
We shoild be broad minded while handle the union and whole members.
Dear Sir,
As I feel, there should be no regret on the issue. It is not a failure at all. You have proved what a true leader should do for his members. Cent percent effort is cent percent achievement. The effort you have taken in this issue including joining in the General strike with NFPE is praise worthy. The members who failed to realize your views and protested will certainly repent and your efforts, I hope will definitely strengthen the unity of your Association in future to work smarter.
Red salute to your courage of speaking the truth openly. Everything can be sacrificed for truth. But truth can’t be sacrificed for anything.
Hi Mr. Mohanti
I have also tried my level best to have Consensus in the issue in Patna and Bangalore meetings by merging the cadres. But on the last day of the meeting at Bangalore some of our friends shouted at me calling "traitor from the Directorate " and even alleged to have taken bribe from the dept to sacrifice the interest ofthe members. Now what happened? If we agreed for merger we would have got the arrears by this time. OK bye gone byegone. Now think of alternatives,
together at least this time......
Ajit Kumar Ex CS Kerala Circle
sir,
I DO AGREE WITH YOU. WE SHOULD HAVE JOINED WITH THE OTHERS DURING THE STRIKE AND FOUGHT FOR OUR DEMANDS.NOWADAYS ONLY OFFICIALS WITHOUT BACKBONES ENTER THIS CADRE. HOW CAN WE EXPECT THEM TO BE BOLD?
mohanty sir
Golden era ushered in india when there was Ashok and Chandra Gupta, not with a heard of fools grazing in the fields. A strong leadership and dignity ( in the form of pay and status) is required to creat better team leader / officer. unless there are officers with dignity our fate(fate of the department) is in gloom. the effort to awaken the back bone of the department( IP/ASP) is time warranted and also prais worthy.
with regards
Gourahari Panda
Acct, Berhampur HO
An association's main purpose is to work for a "common goal". Its the backbone of the group. But seeing all that is happening in and around, there was never a feeling of having a common goal. If the goal is to get 4600/- GP for the IPs then rest nothing should have been allowed to surface in the forefront. We people never know how to agree on one point and we only know to come out with distinct ideas and all wish all of us are heard. That becomes an individualist approach!!! Then where is the association!! Where is the goal!! Since the decision of the Blore Meet is out, the faith in the association is lost. There was no common goal at all.
Association of Fools !!!! I doubt whether it suits !! Even in an Association of fools , they will have a common goal to be recognised as fools but here it appears to be the a collection of multiple ideas of people who think they only are the intelligent people and each idea is considered to be great and achievable.
And one thing which was unacceptable in that meeting was the intervention of some big cats whom should have been kept out of the venue for one single reason that a Lion cant be a friend just because its old and worn out and can advise the rest without having an intention of its own or being sent for a cause by other lions.
Lets hope that, at least now we shed our ego and reservations and admit the defeat. Once again sit on a table with a common goal in mind and this time be unanimous with the approach. All the very best to all to admit and submit again.
Yes former CS.Me too agree with you. But the former GS Sri. Samuel who was surrounded by the veteran liers who all are ASPs, who wants that the youngsters should always be working under the prestigious cowards and protect him not to discuss this issue for years.
Now your are giving the reliable file position.
We never saw such type of people who back biting , self praising . Unless a suitable counselling given to the said cowardice kings , we never get the GP. Moreover the ASPs who will retires upto 2000 batch we never get the GP.
yes it is long run, and long live the association.
In villages one saying the path goat will be empty, it didnt left anything. that is the said kings.
Dear all
Yes. An association's main purpose is to work for a "common goal". There are two common goal before the members @ B'lore CWC.One is the GP 4600 for IP and another is whether or not to forgo the Gazetted status of ASP. Here why you are not thinking that one common goal is achieved i.e to oppose the surrender of gazetted status of ASPs since majority of the ASPs are favoring not to surrender the Gazetted issue barring a few from Orissa & other circle. After all our association is meant not only for IPs but also for ASPs and the interest of ASPs should also be protected. ASP from TN Circle.
what is the next step/alternative left for IP's
make IP's association and fight the case ??????
The debate gradually turns ASP bashing when question is perception and reasoning of different minds.Though the recommendation of the department and reason of objection of MOF has not been made public it appears from the contents of the posting of ex CS that the Deptt. has recommended one GP for both the grades,virtually a merger, which was certainly not the resolution of the Association.
But the farsighted leaders(like ex-CS and CS,Odisha) could read the mind of the Department much ahead and fought for a conciliatory resolution to achieve the goal.But it did not happen then. It can happen now.We should try for it.
There are some very brave comments of not so brave heroes. When some one likes to say anything heroic remaining anonymous, he can't fight for a noble cause leave alone creating a separate association.Unity is the strength.
Dear X-CS
The Future cannot be predicted. There is no guarantee that the dept will never approve grade pays for all the 3 cadres IP, ASP, Gr-B. At this juncture it is better to hope for the best and strive for the, rather cribbing like a lame duck. Now the best we can do is fight hard to implement the CAT order.
Though the CAT has shown us a path and given a clear verdict, really we are fools rejecting to chew the gold, with a doubt that we may not be able to digest it.
-Anil Ambedkar, ASP, Ongole.
What the benefits ASPs are enjoying in this department while doing his all the duties without any assistance like IP, the only difference is to sign with green ink.
If the ASPs can't think for making the carrear of IPs at par with other central govt. departments then why IPs should be with ASPs. The thinking of our senior colleagues has shown that they consider themselves high to the IP cadre although there is no ASP seniority in promotion to Gr. B.
The so-called IP/ASP association should be made ASP Association and IPs should form their own Association to safeguard their future in this department.
IPs should stop their monthly contributions to the association led by maniacs and moot for separate association for Inspectors.
Dear X-CS
As our dear friend Anil Ambedkar has told to hope for the day that dept. may approve CAT vedict, has he any answer to the response of MOF on the issue which will never allow to upgrade the GP of PS Gr B to 5400/- as it will lead to demand from all other govt. depts.
The final disposal will be to refer the case to 7th pay commission making IPs inferior to their counterparts in other depts. in respect of financial benefits.
where is Mr CS of Punjab hiding? what is his say on this. The ghastly act of GS should be widely condemned. Is the GS thinking that he is leading the association of ASPs only then its the time to wake up Mr GS. You have blown off the situation where IPs should have promoted upto 5400 GP PB3 easily.
I would utilize this moment for asking all IPs to wage a war in GANDHIGIRI style against present GS by stopping their contribution to the association and email GET WELL SOON to our mentally ill GS.
CS Odisha is requested to daily upload this message by ex CS alongwith the comments so that the matter do not die and remain in the domain of discussion.
Dear X-CS
As we have seen that there is not a single word of IP Grade pay hike being updated in neither all india IP/ASP association blog nor in any of the circle branch blogs except orrisa circle. this shows the behaviour of association towards IPs, I think the association is thinking of IPs as outcaste then why should not IPs should stop their contribution to the so-called association and make a separate association.
I Thanks Sri B B Mohanty and IP/ASP Association Orrisa Circle for keeping the issue in light.
This attitude of all india association will create a dangerous threat to the strength of association in future.
Once again thanks to Mohanty sir.
Dear IP from AP and others,
I understand your feelings which comes out of frustration and it is natural for any human being. But, I would suggest you and all other IPs of various Circles to come forward and put pressure on respective Circle Association which will be helpful in taking a unanimous decision in the next CWC of CHQ in the best interest of the Association in getting the GP of Rs.4,600/-. I would also suggest you and all other IPs of various Circles to demand equal representation of IPs as Office bearer in the Circle Association rather than thinking of separate Association or stopping of Subscription.We must understand that the power to overcome the hurdles in getting the GP of Rs.4,600/- can only come from within ourselves.
Thanking you and all others.
Pitabasa Jena
Circle Secretary
Dear CS
I respect your feeling of keeping the strength of association by taking all the IP and ASP togther in the association for future. But i am not able to understand that when the association has not done anything since 2009 then what we may expect from the association now, when the time left over is very less because if the matter is delayed upto next CWC meetings the matter will be forwarded to next CPC and the no financial benefit will come to the cadre and in addition to it whether the next CPC will make IPs at par with other central govt. depts and the same will be implemented by our dept. is not known. so overall the social status of IPs will never become at par with Inspectors in other govt. depts.
IP will only have the designation of Inspector but all the benefits enjoyed by the cadre in future will be most probably of Sub Inspector Cadre.
Please suggest some measures for immediate implementation of Grade Pay of 4600.
Sir,
When pay scale of Inspectors of Itax/Central excise was upgraded from 5500/- to 6500/- in the year 2000 or earlier after 5th pay commission what was Mr Samuel ex GS and other active C/Ss were doing. Why they were mum?. The issue was not raised at that time. Now the same peoples are playing blame game. Now the very same persons are trying to dictate the terms. When CAT has given verdict fore 4600/- for IPOs then who u are to suggest alternative options. Best option here is to fight the case legally and there should be 100% financial assistance to Permanand for contempt of court.
ASP Patil
Dear poor Patil,
You are yet to understand the intricacies of Court case. Where is the scope for contempt when Govt. has considered the proposal and rejected it? Please do your home work before blaming others.
CS
Dear CS
If the govt. has considered the case and rejected it, who is to be blamed for this nuisance. is it the govt. or the directorate who never act on its own or the association who had kept hurdle in the way of GP hike
We all the IPs will blame one and only association which acted as the leaders of only ASPs.
Respected CS we have lost our faith in association as the issue was not only related to financial benefit but also for the status in comparison with other govt. dept. inspectors.
When a IP is selected directly his other friends are also selected simuntaneously in several other departments in the same cadre and our dept. so it relates to status also. But our association has worked in the way of making us outcaste.
If now also this association has not worked for welfare of IPs then surely we have to think of our own ways
This is perhaps the most debated article on this blog. We are proud to have a leader like Mr. B.B. Mohanty who can feel the nerve of the majority(Member wise) and think welafare of all.
Both the comments of Odisha CS are pragmatic. He should lead from the frnot tohave an emergency meeting of CWC/general body of the AIAIPASP.Some questions are coming to mind of this ordinary fellow member:
(i) Why we desire to ramin at par with our counter parts in other departments keeping ourselves on different footing?
(ii)shall we not loose our cause in the next CPC or there after for this ASP nomenclature?
(iii) Are we not ovestating our wisdom and our strngth?
(iv) Is not it wise to remain conciliatory with the Department when our problem is with the MOF?
(v) What does an ASP loose by accepting merger? Is it Status? If so is the ASP as such drawing any respect now?
Dear DK Samal & Direct IP from Andhra,
The answer to your questions lies in your own comment. Let us see
1.Many of the ASP (if not all) are very much proud about their Gaz status. It is the status which decides the fate of the govt servant. The direct IP from Andhra will easily accept this as seen from his comment. Is'nt it? It is not correct that what respect does an ASP draw as the respect is not related with status but it relates with the personal behaviour when it comes with GDS. But when it relates to higher officials (above GDS) definitely an ASP command more respect than his counterpart IP.
2. The Direct IP has wrongly said that the status is main thing not the money. In my opinion, all the IP (even some ASPs including me) wanted the GP to be hiked to 4600/- only for the financial benefits and not for anyother thing. Please tell me, if the department promote you as an ASP without increase in GP would you accept the promotion my dear IP direct????Soooooo, only for the financial benefits(at present and in future)we are fighting the GP issue and nothing else in it.
Pllllease don't mistake me. Though I am an ASP me to also in your side wanting for the hike in GP (not for the status but for the financial benefits). ASP/Tamilnadu
My dear senior colleague
As u have said that GP demand relates basically to the financial benefits. I agree with your arguments because in this economical world financial position determines many things. But the need of status is only compared to our counterparts from other departments.
If u dont agree with me, u just think if all the inspectors in other departments would draw 4200 grade pay automatically this demand will go down. SO in my view financial benefit alongwith status is the main moto of fighting for 4600/- grade pay. We only want the benefits of the cadre should be provided in this dept. as officials from other govt. dept. are enjoying whether it be of status or in financial terms.
Being a ASP u r in our side, I thanks a lot for it as it will give moral support to IPs running in frustration.
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